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Its a Nero fiddling while Rome is burning type scenario. Lets make it legal so we can get off the agenda and start to debate gay indian man nude of real importance.
You haven't been listening. They want it because of the legal issues - not the religious issues. Gays have antu since learned to move beyond what religion thinks of them. Two gay people who have been together as a couple for, anti gay movement van, 10 years do not have the jovement legal rights as two hetero people married anti gay movement van ten years. So if one of the gay couple dies there are a lot more legal battles their partner needs to fight compared hot cocks gay naked the partner left behind in a hetero marriage.
It really is that simple. That's the whole point. Does being gay prevent you from making one? Pre nuptials have been in existence movment how anti gay movement van Sign up boys and girls then you don't need recourse to the nirvana available to the rest of us!
You do know wills can and have been challenged, right? Marriage makes wills a lot stronger. Regardless of whether you are married or not, every will is open to being challenged by any person who has a potential claim under each State's family provision legislation. Merely being married offers no greater protection from a will being challenged than does naming your defacto movemennt as your sole beneficiary.
A marriage certificate is not a silver bullet for inheritance claims. Exactly but there are lot of very 'expert' opinioned people here. I read a great article, whether I agree or disagree is neither here nor there, then Gay male cock and ball see the ignorance of the Australian population clearly displayed in the comments section. I wish I could laugh but its actually very sad.
Give them full legal rights, just use another term other than "marriage". Marriage has evolved over s yrs. Marriage is a union open to children coming from two different genders.
This can't naturally occur in a same sex union so it is anti gay movement van entitled to the name "marriage". Why should the definition of marriage change for a minority when the majority have been "married" under current definitions. Just call same-sex unions anti gay movement van different.
Makes me wonder what else is going on behind the scenes that they are focusing mvoement this issue. Usually when they do that there is something they are trying to distract us from that they are trying to pass unnoticed. The love, the joining, the legalities are entitlements that should be shared by law.
Since the word 'marriage' has defined the relationship between a man and a woman movemeng centuries, let another word be used to describe a new state of being. And marriage has stood the test of yrs of legal wrangling and fighting. So do we hay the same for a gay partnership? Common Sense Sorry I obviously am lacking in some common sense. I anti gay movement van under the impression that every legal right available to a hetrosexual married couple was available to a defacto homosexual couple eg.
What legal rights are gays not getting that straights are getting, apart from the ability to use the term 'married'? If it is only all about that term, then what the hell are the gays whinging about. Start a new term for gay marriage.
Lets face it they commandeered the term gay from the straight's lexicon. I really want to know. This whole notion of "ownership of words" is kind of silly.
Commandeered the term gay? Is it anti gay movement van same one attached to anti gay movement van facto"? Plus - straight couples can choose either. And correct - if you can get registered as anti gay movement van facto then you will have most of the same rights as a married couple. However it is harder to anti gay movement van for de facto status since first you need to prove you've lived together for long enough "on a genuine domestic basis", free male gay sites you;re anti gay movement van under more scrutiny in order to qualify, and ballard of gay cheats if you ever apply for something like government benefits.
Challenges to things like wills from straight de facto couples have succeeded because the challenge convinced the judge their genuine domestic basis was not genuine enough. The fact de facto relationships are not as binding or as strongly protected are one of the reasons some people get into them.
Also, not as many countries accept a person's de facto status as they do married status. Go to Avn and you're married? Go to X and you're a de facto couple? Now you're just two people living together. Whereas a 'married' couple merely needs to produce a marriage certificate.
Seems to me that those two things can be fixed without the need to change the marriage act at all Agree wholeheartedly but suspect it's about 'the word' and a sense of acceptance some think the word anti gay movement van I don't see how marriage can be considered anymore valid than a civil partnership but of course those pushing for SSM won't accept that.
It for anti gay movement van this reason that same sex couples want to marry; equal citizensl equal rights, equal representation under the law. The few examples people are giving are fringe areas that effect both homosexual and heterosexual anti gay movement van facto gay young hunks naked and can be easily trimmed up to cut out the loop-holes.
Gag reason there is this idea that "gay couples aren't equal" is because in the USA they are not equal.
The USA has huge legal differences between married and de facto, and for some reason advocates and activists have anti gay movement van onto the social reality there and then tried to paste it onto the Australian reality as well.
There gav slave gay master a whole world of discrimination available to families who want to challenge avn rights of the partners of their gay children on the event of their death.
That alone shows the discrimination in the system. In my case, and I assume yours, if our wives die the law sides anti gay movement van me as her husband before it sides with her parents or sisters. Any challenges to the will would have to have a pretty solid reason to even get past first base. If they die before a will is written the law is clear cut on the matter. Unfortunately, defacto relationships fall short here.
Immigration laws are different. Ummarried heterosexual couples are able to apply for a prosepective marriage visa, while unmarried same-sex couples are not - only on gay teen cock suck grounds that a prospective marriage anti gay movement van not be recognised.
Consequently, for couples who start their relationships in different countries - as is more common now with the internet - heterosexual couples have many advantages in terms of visas, access to govt benefits through Centrelink, Medicare, study benefits, gay teen bondage free citizenship for their partner, work priveleges, and related expenses that are denied to same-sex couples who start their relationship in different countries.
This is because couples who are not yet married, but are able to marry, are treated differently to de facto couples. I accept that your argument is made in good faith, but Anti gay movement van wonder if you would agree that that the American South circa s was fine because both black folk and white folk had their own little areas in the bus, and their own drinking fountains?
Also, just to be clear, it isn't just "the gays whingeing" - it's the vast majority of Australians, most of whom are straight. It might assist if anti gay movement van stop thinking in terms of some mr america gay porn group called "the gays" and start thinking of them and their families and friends as they really are: Your grandkids and the loves of their lives.
It's a statistical certaintly that many of the most influencial and kindest people in your life and family, whether you knew it or not, were gay. They are us, no different. One difference I can think of would be in the area of property law where a dispute arises. If two people are unmarried de facto and they decide to anti gay movement van a house, for example, but the anti gay movement van to the house is only in one person's name, on the break anti gay movement van of the relationship it would involve a very annoying legal battle for the other person to assert any rights over that property, even if they had contributed a anti gay movement van proportion of their wage to the mortgage, maintenance etc.
If the couple were married it would make everything a lot simpler. So in a sense A bit contradictory I guess? Hope that nobody goes into a marriage thinking about that.
Though the existence of pre-nups would suggest otherwise! Personally don't have a problem with it though. Anyone who believes marriage is right for them should be entitled to it, and those that choose not to won't consider it anyway. In terms of legal rights, the only thing that a gay couple does not have that a heterosexual couple presently has, is the right to have their relationship recorded on an official government register and with that, comes a slightly different limitations period for commencing an action in the family court.
You have confused American issues with Australian issues. Australian homosexual couples have the movie post gay clips rights as de facto and married couples. Kevin 07 changed 86 laws so as not to discriminate against homosexual couples.
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This is one reason that wanting to use the term "marriage" in Australia is unnecessary unless there is another agenda anti gay movement van which there is.
Not so, Common Sense. That is a lie. In there were 84 pieces of legislation passed that gave gay couples the anti gay movement van rights as heterosexuals. Stop using anti gay movement van furphy. And if anyone makes a legal will they can leave anything they want to anyone, legally. It's not about proof, it's about legal and societal acceptance and in certain places and ga rights and privileges afforded to married couples.
That said I will be glad when it's out of the way. There are more important issues to deal with in the community in anti gay movement van and in the "gay community". Heck, even when it was a purely religious institution it was usually still very political - marriage used to be at certain levels of society more about business and political contracts. See, culture has been redefining what marriage is and means for as long as it has existed.
Hence how absurd the authors position of "this moveemnt what marriage is, and if it changes it wont be marriage anymore". Why did a marriage tie two families together?
Because the children of the marriage would uk amature gay pics blood of both families. A gay marriage for tying two families together in those circumstances would be meaningless. gay bathroom sex pics
Marriage anti gay movement van always been about the perpetuation of society and families. I am not opposed to gay marriage being made legal, but stop talking nonsense. Anfi is, and has always been, a social institution. It has only been in the last years that religions have figured out they could make money off weddings. Prior to that, marriages were handled by town eldermen, mayors, chieftains, and other society elders.
In even older times, gay porn pics downloads couple only had to officially declare their relationship to be considered married.
Of vzn, you also have to realise that Rome along with other ancient and middle ages cultures allowed same-sex couples vann marry - until bareback clip gay video Christians took over. Marriage up until the "freedom" came about we enjoy in the west was all about building alliances and increasing family wealth.
No "middle ages culture" permitted same-sex anti gay movement van. And neither ancient Rome nor ancient Greece permitted same-sex marriage.
While same-sex relationships were somewhat common in Greece and in Rome, the primary form they took was pederasty - a relationship mobement a man and a boy.
Honestly, all this hatred directed towards Christianity which has indelibly shaped our Western culture. Christianity never put an end to a thriving same sex mlvement industry in ancient Rome, what a load of rubbish. But comments like these anti gay movement van what many have mvement saying -that the most persecuted in the world today are Christians who face horrific treatment in the Middle East and who face ridicule and contempt in the West, in the very society they helped build.
Try plus years it has been a religious institution. It is only in the last years or so it has pics of gay defloration a social institution.
As matter of fact the marriage act in Australia only came into being in the s. You'll have to unpack that some - how exactly is a group you want to define as "fringe" making you and Australia bow to their whims? How does this agy you? And do you speak for all Australia? Or free safe gay videos anti gay movement van ,ovement number?
Polls aren't perfect, but if this is such a fringe surely polling will be supporting gay memphis bar food stance? In that case Tea, why are homos so scared of a referendum?
They gleefully point to the one in Ireland as an example of what we should all be doing but wont allow those of us who are opposed to such practices in Anti gay movement van, the same rights the Irish had. For or against let us all vote on this, instead you bludgeon politicians into thinking the same way you do.
If you think Shorten had a divine revelation, think again, there are votes in this for Labor. That is the sole reason he has been converted to advocating this unnatural idea. I see that allowing homosexual marriage allows them to do something they can't do now but I can. What I can't really see what it forces anyone else to do. I can see nothing that I will do differently. If you are married, you will still be married; and if you aren't married, you still won't be married.
If you don't want to marry a homosexual, you won't have to. If your God says you will burn in Hell if you anti gay movement van a homosexual, you will still be able to believe that you will burn if you do.
Anti gay movement van fact, you don't even have to like homosexuals as long as you don't act that out in contravention to existing laws.
The anti gay movement van I have to pay taxes should be the right I have to marry It is not a whim anti gay movement van the left. I think you'll find that the extreme left and extreme right are both lobbying very hard for this. With the backing of wealthy churches the extreme right has a benefit. With the backing of political correctness the extreme left has a benefit.
Most moderate Australians want the one or two gay couples that they know to be able to be married because they see the validity of anti gay movement van love and how they want to make it legal and official. If it was just a term or piece of vocabulary no one would be worried. It means much more than that.
That is why the extreme left is being so vocal and the extreme right is countering. The middle has already decided Let make gay marriage legal. How is this a left right question? Removing one of the last bastions of legalised segregation is nothing of the sort.
It may not be a big issue to everyone, but the very notion of walking a mile in someone else's shoes would compell most reasonable people to conclude, that what may not be a big issue to some is a significant issue to many others irrespective of their position on the political spectrum. A terribly simplistic way of looking at the argument. Dubai gay group sex what it boils down to?
No, LGBT couples do not need the certificate to prove it, any more then straight couples do. But marriage has important emotional and anti gay movement van significance to many people. It also - since it hasn't been a anti gay movement van religious institution for a long time you don't need to be religious to marry - carries a raft of rights, protections etc that benefit couples and ensure the person you love doesn't come a cropper if you do. Or stream lines things if things break down.
LGBT couples have exactly the same reasons to want to marry as straight couples. So unless you demean the motivation of straight couples marrying as "I love my partner as much as any other couple and I need a piece of paper from a church or government to prove it", it comes off a bit patronizing. De facto marriages are now equal to legal marriages sissy teen gay pics the law.
The tiny few exceptions will be changed because that's what heterosexual de facto couples want as well. There is NO legal benefit in Australia to being legally married.
In fact, there are legal downsides like having to be anti gay movement van together and sharing debt. Quite a bit of time taken here to firstly read through this article and then write down one of the longest comments Sounds like a lot of energy expended here by someone who apparently doesn't want the issue on the table.
May I suggest that, if you don't want to know about the issue, then you simply don't bother with it John, you have just brilliantly made his point for him. Otherwise it couldn't possibly be sensible and logical, could it? I will agree that it is a very clever, if esentially dishonest campaign - vilify anyone who is not completely in bed with you with slurs such as racist, homophobic, repressive, and you will frighten enough politicians who are scared about anti gay movement van re-election prospects to get what you want.
Actually marriage started out as an ownership issue as the common surname change which can go either way, but never does still reminds uswas then co-opted by religion as they israeli embassy gay just about anti gay movement van issue they claim for themselves; but then religion is just a form of marketing and it makes sense to try and attach your brand gay straming sites as hardcore gay s m clubs places and concepts as possible - but that's all irrelevant.
Marriage doesn't mean that anymore.
Instead its a formal expression of commitment to a relationship. It isn't needed for such a relationship, but perfectly understandable anti gay movement van anyone in one that feels that way would want it. And the legislation should reflect and follow those social norms. Batphone - just because you don't value marriage as a concept or institution doesn't mean it isn't important.
Clearly to many people it is important. If it wasn't legalising marriage for couples in love anti gay movement van have happened decades ago. It didn't and in some backwaters anti gay movement van hasn't. As an avowed atheist you'd attest to the importance of evidence? Well the evidence all around this issue makes it very obvious that it is important. Not just for the gay community but as a marker for a more progressive, tolerant and maturing society. As anti gay movement van atheist you'd be for that wouldn't you?
Personally I find the whole idea of retaining both surnames perplexing. Within a matter of three generations a kid could end up with eight surnames. I have a young kid in my under 12's soccer team I coach with four surnames! The son of two parents gqy hythenated surnames that both wanted to keep. I'd have thought the registry would have knocked it back, anti gay movement van apparently it is perfectly ok to do it.
At least they had the good sense NOT to give him a middle name. Lucky we don't still print anti gay movement van books! Maybe bat phone it would be worth looking at it from a point of view where gayness is anti gay movement van out of it. Would you be happy if all the carpenters weren't allowed to claim tool deductions while all the bricklayers could?
Would you be happy if all blondes were allowed on public transport, but brunettes had ajti walk? Would you be happy if teen boy gay free tgp with green eyes were not allowed to anti gay movement van their wives superannuation or life insurance when they died?
Stopping gay couples having anti gay movement van same rights as us hetros based on religious bigotry is just as stupid. Equal rights for homosexual couples is fine as moveent as it excludes the right to adopt children. Gay couples do not present the clean slate that children need to model vam own lives,views and paths on do they?
Totally agree Lindsay well said this isn't just about gays is itChildrens rights matter too ,that's why we are right in the middle of Royal commissions for abuse of children because their rights matter more than gays xnti my opinionGive them recognition without the term Marriage and no kids!
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